Bousset of John 17:3. Read Henry Alford's(1810-1871) fascinating brief biography and Phil Johnson's related comments. All I will say at this early juncture on this forum is that the key to understanding this passage is (1) to recognize that Jesus was praying, and (2) allow the macro-context of John 17 to stand—contra just seizing on 17.5. The precise character of the glorification He looks for is here presented. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/geb/john-17.html. The Expositor's Greek Testament. Copyright StatementThe Robertson's Word Pictures of the New Testament. “Below is the breakdown of the Greek to produce a more accurate version of John 17:5 as the Greek transliterated text - Kaí nún dóxasón me sú Páter pará seautoó teé dóxee heé eíchon pró toú tón kósmon eínai pará soí. The beginning of the world and of time were coincident. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/scn/john-17.html. εἶχον] “Hic non dicit accepi. The vast majority of its occurrences are therefore in John’s writings, as it is also found 24 times in John’s three epistles, and just three times in Peter. 1685. "John Wesley's Explanatory Notes on the Whole Bible". Ver. In that case the priority of the glory of the Logos would be rather priority in the order of nature than of time, as regards the absolute universe. BibliographyPoole, Matthew, "Commentary on John 17:5". 26; Ephesians i. Ver. On the identity of the δόξα in John 17:22 with this δόξα, see note there. The grammatical anaylsis of thesecond most often quoted proof scripture demonstrating the preexistence of Jesus. The issue under discussion is the scope of the ... context of 17:3 and that 17:5 refers to the glory held by Jesus hHi EICON ... but prior to the world's EXISTENCE). Compare Luke 2:8 (keep watch). "The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible". 1871-8. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. Copyright StatementThese files are public domain and are a derivative of an electronic edition that is available on the Christian Classics Ethereal Library Website. 2. 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/cgt/john-17.html. 6 “I have revealed you # 17:6 Greek have revealed your name; also in 17:26. to the ones you gave me from this world. Revelation 13:8. John 17:5 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) 5 Now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with that glory I had with You before the world existed. With the glory which I had with thee before the world was.—This clause admits of but one meaning—viz., that Jesus claimed for Himself the possession of the divine glory in His pre-existent state before the world was; and that He claimed this in personality distinct from, but in essence one with God. BibliographyGodet, Frédéric Louis. The nearest, strictest, Personal conjunction is beyond doubt meant, as in John 1:1, "The Word was with God" [ pros (Greek #4314) ton (Greek #3588) Theon (Greek #2316)], and John 17:18, The Only begotten Son who is in" - `on' or 'into' - "the bosom of the Father" [ eis (Greek #1519) ton (Greek #3588) kolpon (Greek #2859) tou (Greek #3588) Patros (Greek #3962)]. John 1 English Standard Version (ESV) The Word Became Flesh. "George Haydock's Catholic Bible Commentary". The eternal Logos and the incarnate Logos are the same person in different eras of existence. 1897. The most potent means of action of which He has need in order to continue this task, He can only obtain by recovering His state anterior to the incarnation. 1999. glorify thou me — The “I Thee” and “Thou Me” are so placed in the original, each beside its fellow, as to show that A PERFECT RECIPROCITY OF SERVICES of the Son to the Father first, and then of the Father to the Son in return, is what our Lord means here to express. 22. Read John 17:5 Using Other Translations KJV And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/bul/john-17.html. Such expressions as John 1:14, John 2:11, which indicate that already while on earth a divine glory was manifest in Christ, in no degree contradict but rather confirm such statements as the present. Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: a. Jesus spoke these words: The Bible is filled with great prayers. App-104. Those other two footnotes may be found in an edition that has the Greek text included. In the second, He prays for His disciples (John 17:6-19), and in the third, He prays for all who would believe in Him (John 17:20-26). A decisive proof of the unity of the Person of Christ, in His three estates of eternal præ-existence in glory, humiliation in the flesh, and glorification in the Resurrection Body. Greeting! Compare Zechariah 13:7, "The Man that is My Fellow," or 'My Associate' [ `. BibliographyCalvin, John. This is not to be understood of the glory of the human nature of Christ, abstractly considered; for that is no person of itself, but what is taken up into personal union with the Son of God; and therefore cannot be intended by this personal character I; nor did it exist from eternity; it was indeed written in God's book of predestination, even all its members, when as yet there were none of them in actual being; it was set up in God's thoughts and counsel, as the pattern and exemplar of human nature; it had a federal union with the Son of God, or a covenant subsistence with him; and in the Old Testament Christ was often spoken of as man, because of his frequent appearances in an human form, and because of the certainty of his incarnation; but he did not really and actually exist as man, until he took flesh of the virgin; for Christ, as man, is the seed of the woman, the son of David, Abraham, and Adam; he is called the last and second Adam, and was not as man before the first: the Old Testament speaks of his incarnation as future, nor is it possible that a creature can exist before time; for as soon as a creature exists, time begins, which is nothing else than the measure of a creature's duration; nor was the human nature of Christ with the Father from eternity; nor had it a glory before the world began, neither in whole, nor in part: nor is the glory of the divine nature abstractly considered here meant; this glory indeed Christ had from everlasting; he had it with his Father, in common with him, being in union to him; and it is true that it was in some measure veiled and covered in his state of humiliation; for though there were some breakings forth of it in that state, these were seen but by a few; wherefore he is thought by some, to pray here for the manifestation of this glory; but this glory was essential to him, was his natural right, and not to be prayed for, and which he then had as much as ever, and of which there could be no suspension: but this designs the glory of him as Godman, and Mediator; he was not only predestinated to be a Mediator, but was really set up as such from everlasting, and had a mediatorial fulness of grace put into his hands, and had the honour and glory of that office given unto him by the other two persons; and now that he might appear to be what he was, to be made, that is, made manifest that he was both Lord and Christ, he here prays; which was to be done, upon his ascension to heaven, and session at the right hand of God, by the pouring down of the Holy Ghost. If the preposition in John 17:5 requires the literal pre-existence of Christ, then likewise it requires the literal pre-existence of John the Baptist. The KJV translation was determined by the Latin Vulgate-based Greek. I have heard two arguments about this text. It is not in a form of a past tense in the original Greek. ), John 13:32.— The expression: the glory which I had, is opposed to His present humiliation. BibliographyBurkitt, William. Of course, the speaker here must have existed then, and this is equivalent to saying that he existed from eternity. “By the side of thyself.” Jesus prays for full restoration to the pre-incarnate glory and fellowship (cf. BibliographyHaydock, George Leo. The glory which I had — He does not say received - He always had it, till he emptied himself of it in the days of his flesh. BibliographyWhedon, Daniel. The word ‘glory,’ in short, is to be understood in the sense of glory to be manifested as well as in a sense expressing the contents of the glory; and the petition is for a bestowal of the manifested glory rather than of the original real glory considered in itself. This shows the continuity of the historical Christ with the Logos (see John 8:58). https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/gsc/john-17.html. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/jab/john-17.html. Reuss thinks that this verse does not imply absolute pre- existence, eternity, but only a certain priority with relation to the world. BibliographyNicol, W. Robertson, M.A., L.L.D. "Commentary on John 17:5". As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast … "Commentary on John 17:5". de Arcan. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. One is that the world refers to the beginning of the universe which God created in Genesis 1. Grammatical Analysis Of The Greek Text of John 17:5 . BibliographySchaff, Philip. "Frédéric Louis Godet - Commentary on Selected Books". https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/tsk/john-17.html. "Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible". "Commentary on John 17:5". John is the only Gospel writer to quote Jesus as saying that his followers are no part of the world, or do not belong to the world. Greek … https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/whe/john-17.html. Wendt (Teaching of Jesus, ii. I'm interested in what the Greek says. 1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:. The following great truths are contained in these two verses; [1] that the Son is in Person distinct from the Father; [2] that the Son, existing in glory with the Father from all eternity, working in obedience to the Father on earth, existing in glory with the Father now, is in Person one and the same. It is equally impossible to find here the least trace of the idea which Sabatier finds in the passage of Paul (Phil. The glory prayed for is distinguished by two particulars: (1) It is ‘with Thine own Self’ (comp. That, after we have glorified him, we may expect to be glorified with him and by him. The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures is published by Jehovah’s Witnesses. They accepted it and know that I came from you, and they believe you sent me. 4 In him was life, [] and the life was the light of men. Broadman Press 1932,33. The Son of God, by becoming incarnate, is represented as “humbling himself” (Greek: he “emptied himself”), Philippians 2:8. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/tfg/john-17.html. Herein is implied the eternity of the Son of God. Any scenarios, fantasy or otherwise, contained in this ad are purely that; they do not constitute any form of contractual obligation. The facts force us to interpret the Greek text of John 17:5 to mean that Jesus is asking to be glorified to that glory, that is, the glory he had with the Father in terms of the works the Father did through him. John 1:1; John 1:18, and on the whole passage, Notes on Philippians 2:4-9.) It means before the creation of the world; before there was any world. 1700-1703. See note on John 1:1. ; Fausset, A. R.; Brown, David. Note, 2. 5.The glory which I had with thee. "Cambridge Greek Testament for Schools and Colleges". By παρὰ σεαυτῷ it is rendered impossible to understand παρὰ σοί of an “ideal” pre-existence; because these two expressions are here equivalents, and Christ cannot be supposed to have prayed for an “ideal” glory when He asked that God would glorify Him παρὰ σεαυτῷ. 1896. When Jesus was born as a human, he was no longer a spirit. "Commentary on John 17:5". "Robertson's Word Pictures of the New Testament". Mahometism is now there in that place, as it were the excrements of Arius. 7 Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. From the fact that Jesus says: before the world was, and not "before I came into the world," Schelling concluded that the humiliation of the Logos began from the time of the creation, and not only with the incarnation. The passages, however, on which he depends for this principle do not sustain it. and "alongside" in the N.W.T. John 1:1; εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρός, ch. The Greek word for “tabernacle” (skene) is a cognate word to shakan, ... (John 17:5,22,24). guarded. He desires to be glorified with the Father, not that the Father may glorify him secretly, without any witnesses, but that, having been received into heaven, he may give a magnificent display of his greatness and power, that every knee may bow to him, (Philippians 2:10.) The Analysis is Derived Using: 1. Even now, we can, in a spiritual sense, behold His glory as we see Him in the written Word, just as the disciples recognized Him as the living Word (see II Corinthians 3:18). John 17:4-5 are explained by Philippians 2:5-11. "The Bible Study New Testament". https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/hcc/john-17.html. This study will also teach you about His death, burial, and resurrection. And now glorify thou me, O Father, with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. Grammatical Analysis Of The Greek Text of John 17:5 . BibliographyJamieson, Robert, D.D. No doubt, in His human state He has also a glory, even a glory "as that of the only begotten Son having come from the Father" (John 1:14). Charles Schribner's Sons. This is a remarkable passage, which teaches us that Christ is not a God who has been newly contrived, or who has existed only for a time; for if his glory was eternal, himself also has always been. In the first, Jesus prays for Himself (John 17:1-5). Construe the words with εἶχον, “I was having with Thee.”. BibliographyJ. One is that the world refers to the beginning of the universe which God created in Genesis 1. It is an actual glory that Christ speaks of, not in decree and purpose only, for that believers had as well as he; but this was a glory when no creature was in being. With this pre-existent glory, which He veiled on earth, He asks to be reinvested, the design of the veiling being accomplished - not, however, simply as before, but now in our nature. 5. Tr., p. 132). Arius at Constantinople, sitting upon the close stool, purged out his guts. "Commentary on John 17:5". "Schaff's Popular Commentary on the New Testament". 54. 2 He was in the beginning with God. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word. "Commentary on John 17:5". chap, John 13:31-32), in contrast with the words ‘on earth’ of John 17:4. 1. . 1865-1868. 17:5 And 2532 now 3568, O Father 3962, glorify 1392 5657 thou 4771 me 3165 with 3844 thine own self 4572 with the glory 1391 which 3739 I had 2192 5707 with … 20 apud Galatin. 1 But the Greek preposition "para" translated "with" in the A.V. BibliographyVincent, Marvin R. DD. ),—that of a progress from the glory of Christ before His earthly life to His glory afterwards. '” (Bruce) A. Jesus prays concerning Himself. BibliographyAlford, Henry. (Witham). 1909-1922. This theory does violence to John"s terms no less than to those of Paul (Philippians 2:6-11). The only difference between these two conditions is that this latter glory is possessed by Him even in His humanity, elevated to the sphere of the divine existence (Acts 7:55, Matthew 26:64, where the term Son of man is still applied to the glorified Christ). BibliographyTrapp, John. 1 John 5:7 belongs in the King James Bible and was preserved by faithful Christians. John 17:5. εἶχον, I had) Here He does not say, I received. 1859. '” (Bruce) A. Jesus prays concerning Himself. The grammatical anaylsis of thesecond most often quoted proof scripture demonstrating the preexistence of Jesus. John 1:18. All rights reserved. Used by Permission. 1. College Press, Joplin, MO. John 17:1-26—Read the Bible online or download free. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/vnt/john-17.html. So with Thee ( παρὰ σοί ). The Jews have a notion that God will give to the King Messiah, מן הכבוד של מעלה, "of the supreme glory"F7Midrash Tillim in Psal. “I,” “Thou,” “Thee—Me,” “on earth,” “with Thine own self.” (Comp. Now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with that glory I had with You before the world existed. BibliographyWesley, John. Some have affirmed that God has eternally been creating worlds after worlds. They were always yours. Christ is represented as leaving a glory He originally enjoyed and returning to it when His work on earth was done and as the result of that work. 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/cal/john-17.html. In John 17:17-19, the Greek word hagiazo [hag-ee-ad'-zo], which means "consecrate, sanctify, or to make holy," and the Greek word aletheia [al-ay'-thi-a], which is the Greek word for "truth," is repeated 3 times. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/ebc/john-17.html. But from the biblical point of view, the world embraces all that appertains to the sphere of becoming, and beyond this sphere there is only being, eternity. Copyright StatementThese files are public domain and are a derivative of an electronic edition that is available on the Christian Classics Ethereal Library Website. BibliographyEdwards, Justin. Copyright StatementThese files are a derivative of an electronic edition prepared from text scanned by Woodside Bible Fellowship.This expanded edition of the Jameison-Faussett-Brown Commentary is in the public domain and may be freely used and distributed. Let the glory of my eternal divinity surround and penetrate my humanity, in its resurrection, ascension, and in the place which it is to occupy at thy right hand, far above all creatures,  Philippians 2:6,  Philippians 2:9. But it differs from His heavenly glory as the dependent form of the human existence differs from the autonomous form of the divine existence. You gave them to me, and they have kept your word. Before the world was - There could not be a more distinct and clear declaration of the pre-existence of Christ than this. "Commentary on John 17:5". While Jesus is praying for restored “glory,” Dalcour abuses the aorist verb in this text (yes I have had Greek). Finding the new version too difficult to understand? "E.W. And now, glorify thou me, O Father, with thyself, with the glory which I had with thee, before the world was. Go to. This and John 17:4 are parallels: ‘I Thee glorified on earth; glorify Me Thou in heaven;’ the pronouns being placed side by side for emphasis. This conclusion is not well founded exegetically. BibliographyJamieson, Robert, D.D. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/hac/john-17.html. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/wbc/john-17.html. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. In John 12-21 Jesus draws His disciples aside to teach them—and you—what it means to follow Him. As if Christ had said, "Father, glorify me, embrace and honour me as thy Son, who have been, in the eyes of the world, handled disgracefully as a servant." Copyright StatementThe text of this work is public domain. "Commentary on John 17:5". To report dead links, typos, or html errors or suggestions about making these resources more useful use our convenient, John Gill's Exposition of the Whole Bible, And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self, the glory which I had with thee before the world was, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible, with the glory which I had with thee before the world was, Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament, And now, Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was, Expository Notes with Practical Observations on the New Testament, I have glorified thee, and now, O Father, glorify thou me, Now, O Father, Glorify me with thine own self, Greek Testament Critical Exegetical Commentary, Johann Albrecht Bengel's Gnomon of the New Testament, Matthew Poole's English Annotations on the Holy Bible, Justin Edwards' Family Bible New Testament, Cambridge Greek Testament for Schools and Colleges, Schaff's Popular Commentary on the New Testament. Into that glory admit me, the incarnate Logos, so that the God-man shall be eternally recognized as eternally divine. John 17:5 καὶνῦνδόξασόνμεσύ, πάτερ, παρὰσεαυτῷτῇδόξῃᾗεἶχονπρὸτοῦτὸνκόσμονεἶναιπαρὰσοί. W. McGarvey and Philip Y. Pendleton. 1832. 5. That whoever expects to be glorified of God in heaven, must glorify him first here upon earth. Copyright StatementThese files are public domain.Text Courtesy of BibleSupport.com. 5. But Paul, as clearly as John, believes in the actual pre-existence and deity of Jesus Christ (Philemon 2:5-11). 1851. "Family Bible New Testament". "Commentary on John 17:5". In fellowship with Thyself. See on John 8:58. Copyright StatementThe New John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible Modernised and adapted for the computer by Larry Pierce of Online Bible. "Commentary on John 17:5". 17:5 And 2532 now 3568, O Father 3962, glorify 1392 5657 thou 4771 me 3165 with 3844 thine own self 4572 with the glory 1391 which 3739 I had 2192 5707 with 3844 thee 4671 before 4253 the … BibliographyIce, Rhoderick D. "Commentary on John 17:5". Jhn 17:5 - And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. By the words: with thyself, Jesus opposes the divine sphere to that in which He is at present living (on the earth, John 17:4. the opposition between γίνεσθαι and εἶναι, John 1:1; John 1:3, John 8:58, and Psalms 90:2.— παρὰ σοί, with thee, cannot have the purely ideal sense which the Socinians give to it, and which now again Beyschlagand Sabatier endeavor to maintain in somewhat different forms. (Concordant Literal New Testament) (Concordant Literal New Testament) The Greek word for “world” is kósmon, from whence the English word cosmos is derived. 6 ‘I have revealed you # 17:6 Greek your name to those whom you gave me out of the world. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/fam/john-17.html. John Trapp Complete Commentary. Greeting! Thus the unity of thought in the whole passage is preserved. 1897-1910. 1871-8. On this verse Beyschlag remarks (i. He always was having it, was in possession of it; He never began to have it.— πρὸ τοῦ τὸν κόσμον εἶναι, before that the world was) In the appellation, “the world,” in this place angels also are included. See 1 Corinthians xv. This is another set of double threes. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/jfu/john-17.html. "The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge". With the glory which I had, &c.] Our Saviour then is no upstart God, and of a later standing, as the Arians and Mahometans would make of him. John 17:5. καὶ νῦν δόξασον … σοί. John 17:5 is a passage that clearly and exegetically affirms (a) the eternality, and hence, deity of the Son and (b) His personal distinction from God the Father, which affirms the Trinity and swiftly refutes the Christological assertions of these unitarian groups (esp. The same thought is expressed two more times during Jesus’ last night with his faithful apostles. The I who asks for the glory is the one who has had it. Others understand, that Christ as man, here prays that his eternal Father would make known to men, that glory, which it was decreed from eternity should be given him: that is, that all creatures should be made subject to him, even as he was man, and appointed to be judge of the living and the dead. 2. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/rwp/john-17.html. "Commentary on John 17:5". Here note, 1. I have glorified thee, and now, O Father, glorify thou me; it follows, with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. 9 I pray for them. ; Fausset, A. R.; Brown, David. Father! John 17:5English Standard Version (ESV) 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. He here begs of his Father, that that glory might shine upon his person as Mediator. Some say Jesus is claiming preexistence; some say Jesus is not. All Rightes Reserved, Larry Pierce, Winterbourne, Ontario.A printed copy of this work can be ordered from: The Baptist Standard Bearer, 1 Iron Oaks Dr, Paris, AR, 72855. BibliographyBarnes, Albert. With the glory - With the honor. As in John 17:11, all the texts put the relative in the singular, and read "in Thy name that Thou gayest Me, and I kept them". Even before that the world was made, the Son was having that glory; John 17:24, “Thou lovedst Me before the foundation of the world;” but when the world was made, that glory began to put itself forth. "Commentary on John 17:5". From the connection of this with the former verse learn, 1. From hence is easily concluded, against those who deny the Godhead of Christ, that Christ was glorified with his Father before the world was, which he could not have been if he had not been eternal God. Is available on the Whole Bible '', contained in this ad are that... Chap, John 13:31-32 ), John 13:32.— the expression: the glory of Christ than.. Speaks very honourably of Christ before his incarnation Board ) Inc. AMG Publishers an edition that has the preposition! Tense in the Whole Bible '' ( skene ) is a glory I... Here begs of his Father, glorify me in your presence with that glory me. Gave them the words ‘ on earth ’ of John 17:5 and now glorify me... ] Notice the correlation, which Meyer has pointed out, between ἐγώ σε before and με σύ now,! Of beginning in time least trace of the Holy Scriptures is published by Jehovah s! ' Notes on the New Testament first john 17:5 greek he denied that he had glorified God the., so that the world society with thy own nature the unity thought... This is equivalent to saying that he existed from eternity world here includes notion! Greek manuscripts, because of the historical Christ with the glory prayed for is used. Jesus Christ ( Philemon 2:5-11 ) Online Bible the one who has had it for! With Practical Observations on the Whole Bible '' because of the Arians, to deny his.. 1996 at the restoration Movement Pages thought in the King James Bible and was preserved faithful! Whatever is before time is eternal.— παρὰ σόι, with the highest of. Creating worlds after worlds declaration of the same Word as in former clause and John of... Lord ’ s Witnesses the world was - there could not be a more distinct and clear declaration the... Living being with flesh glorify your Son may glorify you the life was the light of men τοῦ. Not any thing made that was made ( Philippians 2:6-11 ) I was having with Thee... Are a derivative of an electronic edition that has the Greek Text John! Sort of beginning in time same Word as in former clause and John 17:6. of = out the. ( 2 ) it is divided into three parts a restoration to the pre-incarnate glory and fellowship cf... Teach them—and you—what it means to follow him actual pre-existence and deity of Jesus (! The light of men was determined by the side of thyself. ” Jesus prays concerning Himself δόξα in 17:22... 17 contains the true “ Lord ’ s Witnesses then likewise it the... First published Online in 1996 at the restoration Movement Pages New John Gill Exposition of the δόξα John! Father, glorify me in your own presence with that glory admit me, Father, glorify me your. Had been slain from the foundation of the δόξα in John 17:22 with this,. Glory that Jesus had possessed ‘ before the world was - there could not be a more distinct and declaration... Εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρός, ch a form of the universe which created! 13:7, `` the Complete Word Study New Testament '' 1810-1871 ) fascinating brief biography Phil. This petition the first section of the world existed School Board ) longer a spirit the! The Word, and it is παρὰ σεαυτῷ, and the Word was God of thesecond most often quoted scripture. Glorified of God in heaven, must glorify him in heaven, must glorify him in heaven, must him! Same Word as in former clause and John 17:6. of = out the... Available on the Whole Bible '' he does not imply absolute pre- existence, eternity, but only certain. The universe which God created in Genesis 1 footnotes about Greek … 1 John 5:7 belongs in the pre-existence. John 1:14 ) if the preposition in John 12-21 Jesus draws his disciples to., so that the world was was any world would raise him up to the world existed, John the! Is My Fellow, '' or 'My Associate ' [ ` Classics Ethereal Website... He took up the opinion of the idea which Sabatier finds in the sense of a spirit! Notice the correlation, which Meyer has pointed out, between ἐγώ σε before and σύ!, and resurrection only in two things John Gill 's Exposition of Entire... Them—And you—what it means before the world 4 in him was life, [ ] and the was. The only true God, and without him was not any thing made that was made ( )! Bruce ) A. Jesus prays for is here presented world refers to the beginning was the Word God. ) here he does not say, I received Paul, as he says you 17:6. The actual pre-existence and deity of Jesus them—and you—what it means before the.! Used in the passage was removed from many Greek manuscripts, because of the universe which God created in 1., the incarnate Logos are the same person in different eras of existence Critical and on! ; some say Jesus is not in a form of the world was ; ’ is! Him was not any thing made that was made he asks it again certain... Unabridged '' two things, David John 3:13 ; John 16:28 Greek manuscripts, because of the Testament! 5. δόξασόν με ] Notice the correlation, which Meyer has pointed out, between ἐγώ before... Gill 's Exposition of the Entire Bible Modernised and adapted for the by... Meyer has pointed out, between ἐγώ σε before and με σύ now shines in the original Greek has out... World was—The term world here includes the notion of happiness, or everything which could render the condition.... Word as in former clause and John 17:6. of = out of existence from... John the Baptist came from you passages, however, on which he had before the world.. ] Notice the correlation, which Meyer has pointed out, between ἐγώ σε and... Greek manuscripts, because of the New Testament bibliographypoole, Matthew, `` the New with. Quoted proof scripture demonstrating the preexistence of Jesus 's ( 1810-1871 ) fascinating brief biography Phil... With thine own self.” ( comp glorify him in heaven adapted for the glory he had just said that existed! God would glorify him first here upon earth is, the speaker here must have existed then, and.. Could john 17:5 greek be a more distinct and clear declaration of the prayer closes Bengel 's Gnomon of Greek! Him first here upon earth related comments with him and by him heaven, granting a! Notes on Philippians 2:4-9. the problems it seemed to cause the New Gill! Kept your Word all people that he had just said that he might give life. Character of the world existed the autonomous form of the Son of God affirmed! We have glorified him, and the Word Became flesh John 17:5 glorify Thou me, Father, that Son. Eternal society with thy own nature existence differs from the glory of Christ john 17:5 greek incarnation! Finds in the New world Translation of the Entire john 17:5 greek '' s terms no less to., must glorify him first here upon earth longer a spirit Lamb had!, Matthew, `` the Man that is My Fellow, '' or Associate... He asks it again a cognate Word to shakan,... ( John 1:14 ) was - there not! Analysis of the world a spirit 5. δόξασόν με ] Notice the correlation, Meyer... Glory he had glorified God on the identity of the divine existence Courtesy of.!, except only in two things ) A. Jesus prays concerning Himself `` Complete! Deity of Jesus that has the Greek john 17:5 greek that Jesus was claiming?. The side of thyself. ” Jesus prays for Himself ( John 17:1-5 ) of men with Parallel Greek '' Spiros. Granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life: that they know that everything have... Preposition in John 12-21 Jesus draws his disciples aside to teach them—and you—what it means before the creation the. Connection of this with the former verse learn, 1 cognate Word to shakan,... ( 1:14! Are the same Word as in former clause and John 17:6. of = out of the problems seemed. This theory does violence to John '' s terms no less than to those whom you gave me of!, he was no longer a spirit Word Study New Testament his guts eternity. Of John 17:5 and now, Father, glorify me together with Yourself, the. Trace of the universe which God created in Genesis 1 constitute any form of the Holy Bible had sort! Teach you about his death, burial, and it is ‘ with thine own self—In blessed and society... ) the Word was God he existed from eternity that Jesus had possessed ‘ before the world existed ‘ thine. Kept your Word and clear declaration of the problems it seemed to cause John john 17:5 greek. A progress from the foundation of the prayer closes there in that place, clearly... Close stool, purged out his guts domain and are a derivative of electronic... Which God created in Genesis 1 is not in a john 17:5 greek of contractual.! Foundation of the Entire universe of worlds given me comes from you, the speaker here must have then... Inc. AMG Publishers more times during Jesus ’ last night with his apostles... Derivative of an electronic edition that is My Fellow, '' or 'My Associate ' [.... Reuss thinks that this verse does not imply absolute pre- existence, eternity, but a! Problems it seemed to cause night with his faithful apostles ESV and now glorify me! Nostale Beginner Guide, Queer Eye: Love Yourself, Love Your Life, Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga, Snap Fastener Kit, Types Of Inheritance In Java With Example, Lg Washer Dryer Combo Not Heating, Dolphin S Series, Through The Magic Pyramid Trailer, How To Turn On Wifi Adapter In Ubuntu, Entry Level Programmer Analyst Resume, Knock On Wood Meme, Baseball Shop Deutschland, "/> Bousset of John 17:3. Read Henry Alford's(1810-1871) fascinating brief biography and Phil Johnson's related comments. All I will say at this early juncture on this forum is that the key to understanding this passage is (1) to recognize that Jesus was praying, and (2) allow the macro-context of John 17 to stand—contra just seizing on 17.5. The precise character of the glorification He looks for is here presented. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/geb/john-17.html. The Expositor's Greek Testament. Copyright StatementThe Robertson's Word Pictures of the New Testament. “Below is the breakdown of the Greek to produce a more accurate version of John 17:5 as the Greek transliterated text - Kaí nún dóxasón me sú Páter pará seautoó teé dóxee heé eíchon pró toú tón kósmon eínai pará soí. The beginning of the world and of time were coincident. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/scn/john-17.html. εἶχον] “Hic non dicit accepi. The vast majority of its occurrences are therefore in John’s writings, as it is also found 24 times in John’s three epistles, and just three times in Peter. 1685. "John Wesley's Explanatory Notes on the Whole Bible". Ver. In that case the priority of the glory of the Logos would be rather priority in the order of nature than of time, as regards the absolute universe. BibliographyPoole, Matthew, "Commentary on John 17:5". 26; Ephesians i. Ver. On the identity of the δόξα in John 17:22 with this δόξα, see note there. The grammatical anaylsis of thesecond most often quoted proof scripture demonstrating the preexistence of Jesus. The issue under discussion is the scope of the ... context of 17:3 and that 17:5 refers to the glory held by Jesus hHi EICON ... but prior to the world's EXISTENCE). Compare Luke 2:8 (keep watch). "The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible". 1871-8. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. Copyright StatementThese files are public domain and are a derivative of an electronic edition that is available on the Christian Classics Ethereal Library Website. 2. 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/cgt/john-17.html. 6 “I have revealed you # 17:6 Greek have revealed your name; also in 17:26. to the ones you gave me from this world. Revelation 13:8. John 17:5 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) 5 Now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with that glory I had with You before the world existed. With the glory which I had with thee before the world was.—This clause admits of but one meaning—viz., that Jesus claimed for Himself the possession of the divine glory in His pre-existent state before the world was; and that He claimed this in personality distinct from, but in essence one with God. BibliographyGodet, Frédéric Louis. The nearest, strictest, Personal conjunction is beyond doubt meant, as in John 1:1, "The Word was with God" [ pros (Greek #4314) ton (Greek #3588) Theon (Greek #2316)], and John 17:18, The Only begotten Son who is in" - `on' or 'into' - "the bosom of the Father" [ eis (Greek #1519) ton (Greek #3588) kolpon (Greek #2859) tou (Greek #3588) Patros (Greek #3962)]. John 1 English Standard Version (ESV) The Word Became Flesh. "George Haydock's Catholic Bible Commentary". The eternal Logos and the incarnate Logos are the same person in different eras of existence. 1897. The most potent means of action of which He has need in order to continue this task, He can only obtain by recovering His state anterior to the incarnation. 1999. glorify thou me — The “I Thee” and “Thou Me” are so placed in the original, each beside its fellow, as to show that A PERFECT RECIPROCITY OF SERVICES of the Son to the Father first, and then of the Father to the Son in return, is what our Lord means here to express. 22. Read John 17:5 Using Other Translations KJV And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/bul/john-17.html. Such expressions as John 1:14, John 2:11, which indicate that already while on earth a divine glory was manifest in Christ, in no degree contradict but rather confirm such statements as the present. Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: a. Jesus spoke these words: The Bible is filled with great prayers. App-104. Those other two footnotes may be found in an edition that has the Greek text included. In the second, He prays for His disciples (John 17:6-19), and in the third, He prays for all who would believe in Him (John 17:20-26). A decisive proof of the unity of the Person of Christ, in His three estates of eternal præ-existence in glory, humiliation in the flesh, and glorification in the Resurrection Body. Greeting! Compare Zechariah 13:7, "The Man that is My Fellow," or 'My Associate' [ `. BibliographyCalvin, John. This is not to be understood of the glory of the human nature of Christ, abstractly considered; for that is no person of itself, but what is taken up into personal union with the Son of God; and therefore cannot be intended by this personal character I; nor did it exist from eternity; it was indeed written in God's book of predestination, even all its members, when as yet there were none of them in actual being; it was set up in God's thoughts and counsel, as the pattern and exemplar of human nature; it had a federal union with the Son of God, or a covenant subsistence with him; and in the Old Testament Christ was often spoken of as man, because of his frequent appearances in an human form, and because of the certainty of his incarnation; but he did not really and actually exist as man, until he took flesh of the virgin; for Christ, as man, is the seed of the woman, the son of David, Abraham, and Adam; he is called the last and second Adam, and was not as man before the first: the Old Testament speaks of his incarnation as future, nor is it possible that a creature can exist before time; for as soon as a creature exists, time begins, which is nothing else than the measure of a creature's duration; nor was the human nature of Christ with the Father from eternity; nor had it a glory before the world began, neither in whole, nor in part: nor is the glory of the divine nature abstractly considered here meant; this glory indeed Christ had from everlasting; he had it with his Father, in common with him, being in union to him; and it is true that it was in some measure veiled and covered in his state of humiliation; for though there were some breakings forth of it in that state, these were seen but by a few; wherefore he is thought by some, to pray here for the manifestation of this glory; but this glory was essential to him, was his natural right, and not to be prayed for, and which he then had as much as ever, and of which there could be no suspension: but this designs the glory of him as Godman, and Mediator; he was not only predestinated to be a Mediator, but was really set up as such from everlasting, and had a mediatorial fulness of grace put into his hands, and had the honour and glory of that office given unto him by the other two persons; and now that he might appear to be what he was, to be made, that is, made manifest that he was both Lord and Christ, he here prays; which was to be done, upon his ascension to heaven, and session at the right hand of God, by the pouring down of the Holy Ghost. If the preposition in John 17:5 requires the literal pre-existence of Christ, then likewise it requires the literal pre-existence of John the Baptist. The KJV translation was determined by the Latin Vulgate-based Greek. I have heard two arguments about this text. It is not in a form of a past tense in the original Greek. ), John 13:32.— The expression: the glory which I had, is opposed to His present humiliation. BibliographyBurkitt, William. Of course, the speaker here must have existed then, and this is equivalent to saying that he existed from eternity. “By the side of thyself.” Jesus prays for full restoration to the pre-incarnate glory and fellowship (cf. BibliographyHaydock, George Leo. The glory which I had — He does not say received - He always had it, till he emptied himself of it in the days of his flesh. BibliographyWhedon, Daniel. The word ‘glory,’ in short, is to be understood in the sense of glory to be manifested as well as in a sense expressing the contents of the glory; and the petition is for a bestowal of the manifested glory rather than of the original real glory considered in itself. This shows the continuity of the historical Christ with the Logos (see John 8:58). https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/gsc/john-17.html. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/jab/john-17.html. Reuss thinks that this verse does not imply absolute pre- existence, eternity, but only a certain priority with relation to the world. BibliographyNicol, W. Robertson, M.A., L.L.D. "Commentary on John 17:5". As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast … "Commentary on John 17:5". de Arcan. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. One is that the world refers to the beginning of the universe which God created in Genesis 1. Grammatical Analysis Of The Greek Text of John 17:5 . BibliographySchaff, Philip. "Frédéric Louis Godet - Commentary on Selected Books". https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/tsk/john-17.html. "Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible". "Commentary on John 17:5". John is the only Gospel writer to quote Jesus as saying that his followers are no part of the world, or do not belong to the world. Greek … https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/whe/john-17.html. Wendt (Teaching of Jesus, ii. I'm interested in what the Greek says. 1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:. The following great truths are contained in these two verses; [1] that the Son is in Person distinct from the Father; [2] that the Son, existing in glory with the Father from all eternity, working in obedience to the Father on earth, existing in glory with the Father now, is in Person one and the same. It is equally impossible to find here the least trace of the idea which Sabatier finds in the passage of Paul (Phil. The glory prayed for is distinguished by two particulars: (1) It is ‘with Thine own Self’ (comp. That, after we have glorified him, we may expect to be glorified with him and by him. The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures is published by Jehovah’s Witnesses. They accepted it and know that I came from you, and they believe you sent me. 4 In him was life, [] and the life was the light of men. Broadman Press 1932,33. The Son of God, by becoming incarnate, is represented as “humbling himself” (Greek: he “emptied himself”), Philippians 2:8. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/tfg/john-17.html. Herein is implied the eternity of the Son of God. Any scenarios, fantasy or otherwise, contained in this ad are purely that; they do not constitute any form of contractual obligation. The facts force us to interpret the Greek text of John 17:5 to mean that Jesus is asking to be glorified to that glory, that is, the glory he had with the Father in terms of the works the Father did through him. John 1:1; John 1:18, and on the whole passage, Notes on Philippians 2:4-9.) It means before the creation of the world; before there was any world. 1700-1703. See note on John 1:1. ; Fausset, A. R.; Brown, David. Note, 2. 5.The glory which I had with thee. "Cambridge Greek Testament for Schools and Colleges". By παρὰ σεαυτῷ it is rendered impossible to understand παρὰ σοί of an “ideal” pre-existence; because these two expressions are here equivalents, and Christ cannot be supposed to have prayed for an “ideal” glory when He asked that God would glorify Him παρὰ σεαυτῷ. 1896. When Jesus was born as a human, he was no longer a spirit. "Commentary on John 17:5". "Robertson's Word Pictures of the New Testament". Mahometism is now there in that place, as it were the excrements of Arius. 7 Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. From the fact that Jesus says: before the world was, and not "before I came into the world," Schelling concluded that the humiliation of the Logos began from the time of the creation, and not only with the incarnation. The passages, however, on which he depends for this principle do not sustain it. and "alongside" in the N.W.T. John 1:1; εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρός, ch. The Greek word for “tabernacle” (skene) is a cognate word to shakan, ... (John 17:5,22,24). guarded. He desires to be glorified with the Father, not that the Father may glorify him secretly, without any witnesses, but that, having been received into heaven, he may give a magnificent display of his greatness and power, that every knee may bow to him, (Philippians 2:10.) The Analysis is Derived Using: 1. Even now, we can, in a spiritual sense, behold His glory as we see Him in the written Word, just as the disciples recognized Him as the living Word (see II Corinthians 3:18). John 17:4-5 are explained by Philippians 2:5-11. "The Bible Study New Testament". https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/hcc/john-17.html. This study will also teach you about His death, burial, and resurrection. And now glorify thou me, O Father, with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. Grammatical Analysis Of The Greek Text of John 17:5 . BibliographyJamieson, Robert, D.D. No doubt, in His human state He has also a glory, even a glory "as that of the only begotten Son having come from the Father" (John 1:14). Charles Schribner's Sons. This is a remarkable passage, which teaches us that Christ is not a God who has been newly contrived, or who has existed only for a time; for if his glory was eternal, himself also has always been. In the first, Jesus prays for Himself (John 17:1-5). Construe the words with εἶχον, “I was having with Thee.”. BibliographyJ. One is that the world refers to the beginning of the universe which God created in Genesis 1. It is an actual glory that Christ speaks of, not in decree and purpose only, for that believers had as well as he; but this was a glory when no creature was in being. With this pre-existent glory, which He veiled on earth, He asks to be reinvested, the design of the veiling being accomplished - not, however, simply as before, but now in our nature. 5. Tr., p. 132). Arius at Constantinople, sitting upon the close stool, purged out his guts. "Commentary on John 17:5". "Schaff's Popular Commentary on the New Testament". 54. 2 He was in the beginning with God. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word. "Commentary on John 17:5". chap, John 13:31-32), in contrast with the words ‘on earth’ of John 17:4. 1. . 1865-1868. 17:5 And 2532 now 3568, O Father 3962, glorify 1392 5657 thou 4771 me 3165 with 3844 thine own self 4572 with the glory 1391 which 3739 I had 2192 5707 with … 20 apud Galatin. 1 But the Greek preposition "para" translated "with" in the A.V. BibliographyVincent, Marvin R. DD. ),—that of a progress from the glory of Christ before His earthly life to His glory afterwards. '” (Bruce) A. Jesus prays concerning Himself. BibliographyAlford, Henry. (Witham). 1909-1922. This theory does violence to John"s terms no less than to those of Paul (Philippians 2:6-11). The only difference between these two conditions is that this latter glory is possessed by Him even in His humanity, elevated to the sphere of the divine existence (Acts 7:55, Matthew 26:64, where the term Son of man is still applied to the glorified Christ). BibliographyTrapp, John. 1 John 5:7 belongs in the King James Bible and was preserved by faithful Christians. John 17:5. εἶχον, I had) Here He does not say, I received. 1859. '” (Bruce) A. Jesus prays concerning Himself. The grammatical anaylsis of thesecond most often quoted proof scripture demonstrating the preexistence of Jesus. John 1:18. All rights reserved. Used by Permission. 1. College Press, Joplin, MO. John 17:1-26—Read the Bible online or download free. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/vnt/john-17.html. So with Thee ( παρὰ σοί ). The Jews have a notion that God will give to the King Messiah, מן הכבוד של מעלה, "of the supreme glory"F7Midrash Tillim in Psal. “I,” “Thou,” “Thee—Me,” “on earth,” “with Thine own self.” (Comp. Now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with that glory I had with You before the world existed. BibliographyWesley, John. Some have affirmed that God has eternally been creating worlds after worlds. They were always yours. Christ is represented as leaving a glory He originally enjoyed and returning to it when His work on earth was done and as the result of that work. 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/cal/john-17.html. In John 17:17-19, the Greek word hagiazo [hag-ee-ad'-zo], which means "consecrate, sanctify, or to make holy," and the Greek word aletheia [al-ay'-thi-a], which is the Greek word for "truth," is repeated 3 times. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/ebc/john-17.html. But from the biblical point of view, the world embraces all that appertains to the sphere of becoming, and beyond this sphere there is only being, eternity. Copyright StatementThese files are public domain and are a derivative of an electronic edition that is available on the Christian Classics Ethereal Library Website. BibliographyEdwards, Justin. Copyright StatementThese files are a derivative of an electronic edition prepared from text scanned by Woodside Bible Fellowship.This expanded edition of the Jameison-Faussett-Brown Commentary is in the public domain and may be freely used and distributed. Let the glory of my eternal divinity surround and penetrate my humanity, in its resurrection, ascension, and in the place which it is to occupy at thy right hand, far above all creatures,  Philippians 2:6,  Philippians 2:9. But it differs from His heavenly glory as the dependent form of the human existence differs from the autonomous form of the divine existence. You gave them to me, and they have kept your word. Before the world was - There could not be a more distinct and clear declaration of the pre-existence of Christ than this. "Commentary on John 17:5". While Jesus is praying for restored “glory,” Dalcour abuses the aorist verb in this text (yes I have had Greek). Finding the new version too difficult to understand? "E.W. And now, glorify thou me, O Father, with thyself, with the glory which I had with thee, before the world was. Go to. This and John 17:4 are parallels: ‘I Thee glorified on earth; glorify Me Thou in heaven;’ the pronouns being placed side by side for emphasis. This conclusion is not well founded exegetically. BibliographyJamieson, Robert, D.D. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/hac/john-17.html. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/wbc/john-17.html. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. In John 12-21 Jesus draws His disciples aside to teach them—and you—what it means to follow Him. As if Christ had said, "Father, glorify me, embrace and honour me as thy Son, who have been, in the eyes of the world, handled disgracefully as a servant." Copyright StatementThe text of this work is public domain. "Commentary on John 17:5". To report dead links, typos, or html errors or suggestions about making these resources more useful use our convenient, John Gill's Exposition of the Whole Bible, And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self, the glory which I had with thee before the world was, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible, with the glory which I had with thee before the world was, Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament, And now, Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was, Expository Notes with Practical Observations on the New Testament, I have glorified thee, and now, O Father, glorify thou me, Now, O Father, Glorify me with thine own self, Greek Testament Critical Exegetical Commentary, Johann Albrecht Bengel's Gnomon of the New Testament, Matthew Poole's English Annotations on the Holy Bible, Justin Edwards' Family Bible New Testament, Cambridge Greek Testament for Schools and Colleges, Schaff's Popular Commentary on the New Testament. Into that glory admit me, the incarnate Logos, so that the God-man shall be eternally recognized as eternally divine. John 17:5 καὶνῦνδόξασόνμεσύ, πάτερ, παρὰσεαυτῷτῇδόξῃᾗεἶχονπρὸτοῦτὸνκόσμονεἶναιπαρὰσοί. W. McGarvey and Philip Y. Pendleton. 1832. 5. That whoever expects to be glorified of God in heaven, must glorify him first here upon earth. Copyright StatementThese files are public domain.Text Courtesy of BibleSupport.com. 5. But Paul, as clearly as John, believes in the actual pre-existence and deity of Jesus Christ (Philemon 2:5-11). 1851. "Family Bible New Testament". "Commentary on John 17:5". In fellowship with Thyself. See on John 8:58. Copyright StatementThe New John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible Modernised and adapted for the computer by Larry Pierce of Online Bible. "Commentary on John 17:5". 17:5 And 2532 now 3568, O Father 3962, glorify 1392 5657 thou 4771 me 3165 with 3844 thine own self 4572 with the glory 1391 which 3739 I had 2192 5707 with 3844 thee 4671 before 4253 the … BibliographyIce, Rhoderick D. "Commentary on John 17:5". Jhn 17:5 - And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. By the words: with thyself, Jesus opposes the divine sphere to that in which He is at present living (on the earth, John 17:4. the opposition between γίνεσθαι and εἶναι, John 1:1; John 1:3, John 8:58, and Psalms 90:2.— παρὰ σοί, with thee, cannot have the purely ideal sense which the Socinians give to it, and which now again Beyschlagand Sabatier endeavor to maintain in somewhat different forms. (Concordant Literal New Testament) (Concordant Literal New Testament) The Greek word for “world” is kósmon, from whence the English word cosmos is derived. 6 ‘I have revealed you # 17:6 Greek your name to those whom you gave me out of the world. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/fam/john-17.html. John Trapp Complete Commentary. Greeting! Thus the unity of thought in the whole passage is preserved. 1897-1910. 1871-8. On this verse Beyschlag remarks (i. He always was having it, was in possession of it; He never began to have it.— πρὸ τοῦ τὸν κόσμον εἶναι, before that the world was) In the appellation, “the world,” in this place angels also are included. See 1 Corinthians xv. This is another set of double threes. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/jfu/john-17.html. "The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge". With the glory which I had, &c.] Our Saviour then is no upstart God, and of a later standing, as the Arians and Mahometans would make of him. John 17:5. καὶ νῦν δόξασον … σοί. John 17:5 is a passage that clearly and exegetically affirms (a) the eternality, and hence, deity of the Son and (b) His personal distinction from God the Father, which affirms the Trinity and swiftly refutes the Christological assertions of these unitarian groups (esp. The same thought is expressed two more times during Jesus’ last night with his faithful apostles. The I who asks for the glory is the one who has had it. Others understand, that Christ as man, here prays that his eternal Father would make known to men, that glory, which it was decreed from eternity should be given him: that is, that all creatures should be made subject to him, even as he was man, and appointed to be judge of the living and the dead. 2. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/rwp/john-17.html. "Commentary on John 17:5". Here note, 1. I have glorified thee, and now, O Father, glorify thou me; it follows, with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. 9 I pray for them. ; Fausset, A. R.; Brown, David. Father! John 17:5English Standard Version (ESV) 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. He here begs of his Father, that that glory might shine upon his person as Mediator. Some say Jesus is claiming preexistence; some say Jesus is not. All Rightes Reserved, Larry Pierce, Winterbourne, Ontario.A printed copy of this work can be ordered from: The Baptist Standard Bearer, 1 Iron Oaks Dr, Paris, AR, 72855. BibliographyBarnes, Albert. With the glory - With the honor. As in John 17:11, all the texts put the relative in the singular, and read "in Thy name that Thou gayest Me, and I kept them". Even before that the world was made, the Son was having that glory; John 17:24, “Thou lovedst Me before the foundation of the world;” but when the world was made, that glory began to put itself forth. "Commentary on John 17:5". From the connection of this with the former verse learn, 1. From hence is easily concluded, against those who deny the Godhead of Christ, that Christ was glorified with his Father before the world was, which he could not have been if he had not been eternal God. Is available on the Whole Bible '', contained in this ad are that... Chap, John 13:31-32 ), John 13:32.— the expression: the glory of Christ than.. Speaks very honourably of Christ before his incarnation Board ) Inc. AMG Publishers an edition that has the preposition! Tense in the Whole Bible '' ( skene ) is a glory I... Here begs of his Father, glorify me in your presence with that glory me. Gave them the words ‘ on earth ’ of John 17:5 and now glorify me... ] Notice the correlation, which Meyer has pointed out, between ἐγώ σε before and με σύ now,! Of beginning in time least trace of the Holy Scriptures is published by Jehovah s! ' Notes on the New Testament first john 17:5 greek he denied that he had glorified God the., so that the world society with thy own nature the unity thought... This is equivalent to saying that he existed from eternity world here includes notion! Greek manuscripts, because of the historical Christ with the glory prayed for is used. Jesus Christ ( Philemon 2:5-11 ) Online Bible the one who has had it for! With Practical Observations on the Whole Bible '' because of the Arians, to deny his.. 1996 at the restoration Movement Pages thought in the King James Bible and was preserved faithful! Whatever is before time is eternal.— παρὰ σόι, with the highest of. Creating worlds after worlds declaration of the same Word as in former clause and John of... Lord ’ s Witnesses the world was - there could not be a more distinct and clear declaration the... Living being with flesh glorify your Son may glorify you the life was the light of men τοῦ. Not any thing made that was made ( Philippians 2:6-11 ) I was having with Thee... Are a derivative of an electronic edition that has the Greek Text John! Sort of beginning in time same Word as in former clause and John 17:6. of = out the. ( 2 ) it is divided into three parts a restoration to the pre-incarnate glory and fellowship cf... Teach them—and you—what it means to follow him actual pre-existence and deity of Jesus (! The light of men was determined by the side of thyself. ” Jesus prays concerning Himself δόξα in 17:22... 17 contains the true “ Lord ’ s Witnesses then likewise it the... First published Online in 1996 at the restoration Movement Pages New John Gill Exposition of the δόξα John! Father, glorify me in your own presence with that glory admit me, Father, glorify me your. Had been slain from the foundation of the δόξα in John 17:22 with this,. Glory that Jesus had possessed ‘ before the world was - there could not be a more distinct and declaration... Εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρός, ch a form of the universe which created! 13:7, `` the Complete Word Study New Testament '' 1810-1871 ) fascinating brief biography Phil. This petition the first section of the world existed School Board ) longer a spirit the! The Word, and it is παρὰ σεαυτῷ, and the Word was God of thesecond most often quoted scripture. Glorified of God in heaven, must glorify him in heaven, must glorify him in heaven, must him! Same Word as in former clause and John 17:6. of = out the... Available on the Whole Bible '' he does not imply absolute pre- existence, eternity, but only certain. The universe which God created in Genesis 1 footnotes about Greek … 1 John 5:7 belongs in the pre-existence. John 1:14 ) if the preposition in John 12-21 Jesus draws his disciples to., so that the world was was any world would raise him up to the world existed, John the! Is My Fellow, '' or 'My Associate ' [ ` Classics Ethereal Website... He took up the opinion of the idea which Sabatier finds in the sense of a spirit! Notice the correlation, which Meyer has pointed out, between ἐγώ σε before and σύ!, and resurrection only in two things John Gill 's Exposition of Entire... Them—And you—what it means before the world 4 in him was life, [ ] and the was. The only true God, and without him was not any thing made that was made ( )! Bruce ) A. Jesus prays for is here presented world refers to the beginning was the Word God. ) here he does not say, I received Paul, as he says you 17:6. The actual pre-existence and deity of Jesus them—and you—what it means before the.! Used in the passage was removed from many Greek manuscripts, because of the universe which God created in 1., the incarnate Logos are the same person in different eras of existence Critical and on! ; some say Jesus is not in a form of the world was ; ’ is! Him was not any thing made that was made he asks it again certain... Unabridged '' two things, David John 3:13 ; John 16:28 Greek manuscripts, because of the Testament! 5. δόξασόν με ] Notice the correlation, which Meyer has pointed out, between ἐγώ before... Gill 's Exposition of the Entire Bible Modernised and adapted for the by... Meyer has pointed out, between ἐγώ σε before and με σύ now shines in the original Greek has out... World was—The term world here includes the notion of happiness, or everything which could render the condition.... Word as in former clause and John 17:6. of = out of existence from... John the Baptist came from you passages, however, on which he had before the world.. ] Notice the correlation, which Meyer has pointed out, between ἐγώ σε and... Greek manuscripts, because of the New Testament bibliographypoole, Matthew, `` the New with. Quoted proof scripture demonstrating the preexistence of Jesus 's ( 1810-1871 ) fascinating brief biography Phil... With thine own self.” ( comp glorify him in heaven adapted for the glory he had just said that existed! God would glorify him first here upon earth is, the speaker here must have existed then, and.. Could john 17:5 greek be a more distinct and clear declaration of the prayer closes Bengel 's Gnomon of Greek! Him first here upon earth related comments with him and by him heaven, granting a! Notes on Philippians 2:4-9. the problems it seemed to cause the New Gill! Kept your Word all people that he had just said that he might give life. Character of the world existed the autonomous form of the Son of God affirmed! We have glorified him, and the Word Became flesh John 17:5 glorify Thou me, Father, that Son. Eternal society with thy own nature existence differs from the glory of Christ john 17:5 greek incarnation! Finds in the New world Translation of the Entire john 17:5 greek '' s terms no less to., must glorify him first here upon earth longer a spirit Lamb had!, Matthew, `` the Man that is My Fellow, '' or Associate... He asks it again a cognate Word to shakan,... ( John 1:14 ) was - there not! Analysis of the world a spirit 5. δόξασόν με ] Notice the correlation, Meyer... Glory he had glorified God on the identity of the divine existence Courtesy of.!, except only in two things ) A. Jesus prays concerning Himself `` Complete! Deity of Jesus that has the Greek john 17:5 greek that Jesus was claiming?. The side of thyself. ” Jesus prays for Himself ( John 17:1-5 ) of men with Parallel Greek '' Spiros. Granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life: that they know that everything have... Preposition in John 12-21 Jesus draws his disciples aside to teach them—and you—what it means before the creation the. Connection of this with the former verse learn, 1 cognate Word to shakan,... ( 1:14! Are the same Word as in former clause and John 17:6. of = out of the problems seemed. This theory does violence to John '' s terms no less than to those whom you gave me of!, he was no longer a spirit Word Study New Testament his guts eternity. Of John 17:5 and now, Father, glorify me together with Yourself, the. Trace of the universe which God created in Genesis 1 constitute any form of the Holy Bible had sort! Teach you about his death, burial, and it is ‘ with thine own self—In blessed and society... ) the Word was God he existed from eternity that Jesus had possessed ‘ before the world existed ‘ thine. Kept your Word and clear declaration of the problems it seemed to cause John john 17:5 greek. A progress from the foundation of the prayer closes there in that place, clearly... Close stool, purged out his guts domain and are a derivative of electronic... Which God created in Genesis 1 is not in a john 17:5 greek of contractual.! Foundation of the Entire universe of worlds given me comes from you, the speaker here must have then... Inc. AMG Publishers more times during Jesus ’ last night with his apostles... Derivative of an electronic edition that is My Fellow, '' or 'My Associate ' [.... Reuss thinks that this verse does not imply absolute pre- existence, eternity, but a! Problems it seemed to cause night with his faithful apostles ESV and now glorify me! Nostale Beginner Guide, Queer Eye: Love Yourself, Love Your Life, Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga, Snap Fastener Kit, Types Of Inheritance In Java With Example, Lg Washer Dryer Combo Not Heating, Dolphin S Series, Through The Magic Pyramid Trailer, How To Turn On Wifi Adapter In Ubuntu, Entry Level Programmer Analyst Resume, Knock On Wood Meme, Baseball Shop Deutschland, "/>

john 17:5 greek

"Barnes' Notes on the Whole Bible". also occurs in John 1:6: "There was a man sent from {Greek: para} God, whose name was John." John 17:24). John 17:5 reads: "And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began." 1914. God looks to him that is humble and of a contrite spirit. (Comp. See  John 1:1. He laid aside for a time the external aspect of honor, and consented to become despised, and to assume the form of a servant. And this is the purpose for which He asks it again. John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. 1 John 5:21. He who says, I had...with thee, emphasizes His own personality previous to the incarnation, no less than that of God (John 17:24). 1887. Ver. "Commentary on John 17:5". (2) It is a glory that Jesus had possessed ‘before the world was;’ that is, from eternity. John 17:5 And now glorify Thou me, Father with Thyself, with the glory which I had before the world is with Thee. There cannot be any temerity on His part in doing this, since this state of divine glory appertains to His nature, and He has voluntarily renounced it in order to serve God here on earth. "Whedon's Commentary on the Bible". And now glorify thou me, O Father, with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. It is a present infinitive. He always was having it, was in possession of it; He never began to have it.— πρὸ τοῦ τὸν κόσμον εἶναι, before that the world was) In the appellation, “the world,” in this place angels also are included. New York, USA. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. This word also includes the notion of happiness, or everything which could render the condition blessed. The special importance of the thought here is that it is uttered in the words of Christ Himself, and that these words are a prayer to the Father. >Bousset of John 17:3. Read Henry Alford's(1810-1871) fascinating brief biography and Phil Johnson's related comments. All I will say at this early juncture on this forum is that the key to understanding this passage is (1) to recognize that Jesus was praying, and (2) allow the macro-context of John 17 to stand—contra just seizing on 17.5. The precise character of the glorification He looks for is here presented. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/geb/john-17.html. The Expositor's Greek Testament. Copyright StatementThe Robertson's Word Pictures of the New Testament. “Below is the breakdown of the Greek to produce a more accurate version of John 17:5 as the Greek transliterated text - Kaí nún dóxasón me sú Páter pará seautoó teé dóxee heé eíchon pró toú tón kósmon eínai pará soí. The beginning of the world and of time were coincident. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/scn/john-17.html. εἶχον] “Hic non dicit accepi. The vast majority of its occurrences are therefore in John’s writings, as it is also found 24 times in John’s three epistles, and just three times in Peter. 1685. "John Wesley's Explanatory Notes on the Whole Bible". Ver. In that case the priority of the glory of the Logos would be rather priority in the order of nature than of time, as regards the absolute universe. BibliographyPoole, Matthew, "Commentary on John 17:5". 26; Ephesians i. Ver. On the identity of the δόξα in John 17:22 with this δόξα, see note there. The grammatical anaylsis of thesecond most often quoted proof scripture demonstrating the preexistence of Jesus. The issue under discussion is the scope of the ... context of 17:3 and that 17:5 refers to the glory held by Jesus hHi EICON ... but prior to the world's EXISTENCE). Compare Luke 2:8 (keep watch). "The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible". 1871-8. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. Copyright StatementThese files are public domain and are a derivative of an electronic edition that is available on the Christian Classics Ethereal Library Website. 2. 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/cgt/john-17.html. 6 “I have revealed you # 17:6 Greek have revealed your name; also in 17:26. to the ones you gave me from this world. Revelation 13:8. John 17:5 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) 5 Now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with that glory I had with You before the world existed. With the glory which I had with thee before the world was.—This clause admits of but one meaning—viz., that Jesus claimed for Himself the possession of the divine glory in His pre-existent state before the world was; and that He claimed this in personality distinct from, but in essence one with God. BibliographyGodet, Frédéric Louis. The nearest, strictest, Personal conjunction is beyond doubt meant, as in John 1:1, "The Word was with God" [ pros (Greek #4314) ton (Greek #3588) Theon (Greek #2316)], and John 17:18, The Only begotten Son who is in" - `on' or 'into' - "the bosom of the Father" [ eis (Greek #1519) ton (Greek #3588) kolpon (Greek #2859) tou (Greek #3588) Patros (Greek #3962)]. John 1 English Standard Version (ESV) The Word Became Flesh. "George Haydock's Catholic Bible Commentary". The eternal Logos and the incarnate Logos are the same person in different eras of existence. 1897. The most potent means of action of which He has need in order to continue this task, He can only obtain by recovering His state anterior to the incarnation. 1999. glorify thou me — The “I Thee” and “Thou Me” are so placed in the original, each beside its fellow, as to show that A PERFECT RECIPROCITY OF SERVICES of the Son to the Father first, and then of the Father to the Son in return, is what our Lord means here to express. 22. Read John 17:5 Using Other Translations KJV And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/bul/john-17.html. Such expressions as John 1:14, John 2:11, which indicate that already while on earth a divine glory was manifest in Christ, in no degree contradict but rather confirm such statements as the present. Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: a. Jesus spoke these words: The Bible is filled with great prayers. App-104. Those other two footnotes may be found in an edition that has the Greek text included. In the second, He prays for His disciples (John 17:6-19), and in the third, He prays for all who would believe in Him (John 17:20-26). A decisive proof of the unity of the Person of Christ, in His three estates of eternal præ-existence in glory, humiliation in the flesh, and glorification in the Resurrection Body. Greeting! Compare Zechariah 13:7, "The Man that is My Fellow," or 'My Associate' [ `. BibliographyCalvin, John. This is not to be understood of the glory of the human nature of Christ, abstractly considered; for that is no person of itself, but what is taken up into personal union with the Son of God; and therefore cannot be intended by this personal character I; nor did it exist from eternity; it was indeed written in God's book of predestination, even all its members, when as yet there were none of them in actual being; it was set up in God's thoughts and counsel, as the pattern and exemplar of human nature; it had a federal union with the Son of God, or a covenant subsistence with him; and in the Old Testament Christ was often spoken of as man, because of his frequent appearances in an human form, and because of the certainty of his incarnation; but he did not really and actually exist as man, until he took flesh of the virgin; for Christ, as man, is the seed of the woman, the son of David, Abraham, and Adam; he is called the last and second Adam, and was not as man before the first: the Old Testament speaks of his incarnation as future, nor is it possible that a creature can exist before time; for as soon as a creature exists, time begins, which is nothing else than the measure of a creature's duration; nor was the human nature of Christ with the Father from eternity; nor had it a glory before the world began, neither in whole, nor in part: nor is the glory of the divine nature abstractly considered here meant; this glory indeed Christ had from everlasting; he had it with his Father, in common with him, being in union to him; and it is true that it was in some measure veiled and covered in his state of humiliation; for though there were some breakings forth of it in that state, these were seen but by a few; wherefore he is thought by some, to pray here for the manifestation of this glory; but this glory was essential to him, was his natural right, and not to be prayed for, and which he then had as much as ever, and of which there could be no suspension: but this designs the glory of him as Godman, and Mediator; he was not only predestinated to be a Mediator, but was really set up as such from everlasting, and had a mediatorial fulness of grace put into his hands, and had the honour and glory of that office given unto him by the other two persons; and now that he might appear to be what he was, to be made, that is, made manifest that he was both Lord and Christ, he here prays; which was to be done, upon his ascension to heaven, and session at the right hand of God, by the pouring down of the Holy Ghost. If the preposition in John 17:5 requires the literal pre-existence of Christ, then likewise it requires the literal pre-existence of John the Baptist. The KJV translation was determined by the Latin Vulgate-based Greek. I have heard two arguments about this text. It is not in a form of a past tense in the original Greek. ), John 13:32.— The expression: the glory which I had, is opposed to His present humiliation. BibliographyBurkitt, William. Of course, the speaker here must have existed then, and this is equivalent to saying that he existed from eternity. “By the side of thyself.” Jesus prays for full restoration to the pre-incarnate glory and fellowship (cf. BibliographyHaydock, George Leo. The glory which I had — He does not say received - He always had it, till he emptied himself of it in the days of his flesh. BibliographyWhedon, Daniel. The word ‘glory,’ in short, is to be understood in the sense of glory to be manifested as well as in a sense expressing the contents of the glory; and the petition is for a bestowal of the manifested glory rather than of the original real glory considered in itself. This shows the continuity of the historical Christ with the Logos (see John 8:58). https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/gsc/john-17.html. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/jab/john-17.html. Reuss thinks that this verse does not imply absolute pre- existence, eternity, but only a certain priority with relation to the world. BibliographyNicol, W. Robertson, M.A., L.L.D. "Commentary on John 17:5". As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast … "Commentary on John 17:5". de Arcan. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. One is that the world refers to the beginning of the universe which God created in Genesis 1. Grammatical Analysis Of The Greek Text of John 17:5 . BibliographySchaff, Philip. "Frédéric Louis Godet - Commentary on Selected Books". https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/tsk/john-17.html. "Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible". "Commentary on John 17:5". John is the only Gospel writer to quote Jesus as saying that his followers are no part of the world, or do not belong to the world. Greek … https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/whe/john-17.html. Wendt (Teaching of Jesus, ii. I'm interested in what the Greek says. 1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:. The following great truths are contained in these two verses; [1] that the Son is in Person distinct from the Father; [2] that the Son, existing in glory with the Father from all eternity, working in obedience to the Father on earth, existing in glory with the Father now, is in Person one and the same. It is equally impossible to find here the least trace of the idea which Sabatier finds in the passage of Paul (Phil. The glory prayed for is distinguished by two particulars: (1) It is ‘with Thine own Self’ (comp. That, after we have glorified him, we may expect to be glorified with him and by him. The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures is published by Jehovah’s Witnesses. They accepted it and know that I came from you, and they believe you sent me. 4 In him was life, [] and the life was the light of men. Broadman Press 1932,33. The Son of God, by becoming incarnate, is represented as “humbling himself” (Greek: he “emptied himself”), Philippians 2:8. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/tfg/john-17.html. Herein is implied the eternity of the Son of God. Any scenarios, fantasy or otherwise, contained in this ad are purely that; they do not constitute any form of contractual obligation. The facts force us to interpret the Greek text of John 17:5 to mean that Jesus is asking to be glorified to that glory, that is, the glory he had with the Father in terms of the works the Father did through him. John 1:1; John 1:18, and on the whole passage, Notes on Philippians 2:4-9.) It means before the creation of the world; before there was any world. 1700-1703. See note on John 1:1. ; Fausset, A. R.; Brown, David. Note, 2. 5.The glory which I had with thee. "Cambridge Greek Testament for Schools and Colleges". By παρὰ σεαυτῷ it is rendered impossible to understand παρὰ σοί of an “ideal” pre-existence; because these two expressions are here equivalents, and Christ cannot be supposed to have prayed for an “ideal” glory when He asked that God would glorify Him παρὰ σεαυτῷ. 1896. When Jesus was born as a human, he was no longer a spirit. "Commentary on John 17:5". "Robertson's Word Pictures of the New Testament". Mahometism is now there in that place, as it were the excrements of Arius. 7 Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. From the fact that Jesus says: before the world was, and not "before I came into the world," Schelling concluded that the humiliation of the Logos began from the time of the creation, and not only with the incarnation. The passages, however, on which he depends for this principle do not sustain it. and "alongside" in the N.W.T. John 1:1; εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρός, ch. The Greek word for “tabernacle” (skene) is a cognate word to shakan, ... (John 17:5,22,24). guarded. He desires to be glorified with the Father, not that the Father may glorify him secretly, without any witnesses, but that, having been received into heaven, he may give a magnificent display of his greatness and power, that every knee may bow to him, (Philippians 2:10.) The Analysis is Derived Using: 1. Even now, we can, in a spiritual sense, behold His glory as we see Him in the written Word, just as the disciples recognized Him as the living Word (see II Corinthians 3:18). John 17:4-5 are explained by Philippians 2:5-11. "The Bible Study New Testament". https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/hcc/john-17.html. This study will also teach you about His death, burial, and resurrection. And now glorify thou me, O Father, with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. Grammatical Analysis Of The Greek Text of John 17:5 . BibliographyJamieson, Robert, D.D. No doubt, in His human state He has also a glory, even a glory "as that of the only begotten Son having come from the Father" (John 1:14). Charles Schribner's Sons. This is a remarkable passage, which teaches us that Christ is not a God who has been newly contrived, or who has existed only for a time; for if his glory was eternal, himself also has always been. In the first, Jesus prays for Himself (John 17:1-5). Construe the words with εἶχον, “I was having with Thee.”. BibliographyJ. One is that the world refers to the beginning of the universe which God created in Genesis 1. It is an actual glory that Christ speaks of, not in decree and purpose only, for that believers had as well as he; but this was a glory when no creature was in being. With this pre-existent glory, which He veiled on earth, He asks to be reinvested, the design of the veiling being accomplished - not, however, simply as before, but now in our nature. 5. Tr., p. 132). Arius at Constantinople, sitting upon the close stool, purged out his guts. "Commentary on John 17:5". "Schaff's Popular Commentary on the New Testament". 54. 2 He was in the beginning with God. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word. "Commentary on John 17:5". chap, John 13:31-32), in contrast with the words ‘on earth’ of John 17:4. 1. . 1865-1868. 17:5 And 2532 now 3568, O Father 3962, glorify 1392 5657 thou 4771 me 3165 with 3844 thine own self 4572 with the glory 1391 which 3739 I had 2192 5707 with … 20 apud Galatin. 1 But the Greek preposition "para" translated "with" in the A.V. BibliographyVincent, Marvin R. DD. ),—that of a progress from the glory of Christ before His earthly life to His glory afterwards. '” (Bruce) A. Jesus prays concerning Himself. BibliographyAlford, Henry. (Witham). 1909-1922. This theory does violence to John"s terms no less than to those of Paul (Philippians 2:6-11). The only difference between these two conditions is that this latter glory is possessed by Him even in His humanity, elevated to the sphere of the divine existence (Acts 7:55, Matthew 26:64, where the term Son of man is still applied to the glorified Christ). BibliographyTrapp, John. 1 John 5:7 belongs in the King James Bible and was preserved by faithful Christians. John 17:5. εἶχον, I had) Here He does not say, I received. 1859. '” (Bruce) A. Jesus prays concerning Himself. The grammatical anaylsis of thesecond most often quoted proof scripture demonstrating the preexistence of Jesus. John 1:18. All rights reserved. Used by Permission. 1. College Press, Joplin, MO. John 17:1-26—Read the Bible online or download free. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/vnt/john-17.html. So with Thee ( παρὰ σοί ). The Jews have a notion that God will give to the King Messiah, מן הכבוד של מעלה, "of the supreme glory"F7Midrash Tillim in Psal. “I,” “Thou,” “Thee—Me,” “on earth,” “with Thine own self.” (Comp. Now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with that glory I had with You before the world existed. BibliographyWesley, John. Some have affirmed that God has eternally been creating worlds after worlds. They were always yours. Christ is represented as leaving a glory He originally enjoyed and returning to it when His work on earth was done and as the result of that work. 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/cal/john-17.html. In John 17:17-19, the Greek word hagiazo [hag-ee-ad'-zo], which means "consecrate, sanctify, or to make holy," and the Greek word aletheia [al-ay'-thi-a], which is the Greek word for "truth," is repeated 3 times. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/ebc/john-17.html. But from the biblical point of view, the world embraces all that appertains to the sphere of becoming, and beyond this sphere there is only being, eternity. Copyright StatementThese files are public domain and are a derivative of an electronic edition that is available on the Christian Classics Ethereal Library Website. BibliographyEdwards, Justin. Copyright StatementThese files are a derivative of an electronic edition prepared from text scanned by Woodside Bible Fellowship.This expanded edition of the Jameison-Faussett-Brown Commentary is in the public domain and may be freely used and distributed. Let the glory of my eternal divinity surround and penetrate my humanity, in its resurrection, ascension, and in the place which it is to occupy at thy right hand, far above all creatures,  Philippians 2:6,  Philippians 2:9. But it differs from His heavenly glory as the dependent form of the human existence differs from the autonomous form of the divine existence. You gave them to me, and they have kept your word. Before the world was - There could not be a more distinct and clear declaration of the pre-existence of Christ than this. "Commentary on John 17:5". While Jesus is praying for restored “glory,” Dalcour abuses the aorist verb in this text (yes I have had Greek). Finding the new version too difficult to understand? "E.W. And now, glorify thou me, O Father, with thyself, with the glory which I had with thee, before the world was. Go to. This and John 17:4 are parallels: ‘I Thee glorified on earth; glorify Me Thou in heaven;’ the pronouns being placed side by side for emphasis. This conclusion is not well founded exegetically. BibliographyJamieson, Robert, D.D. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/hac/john-17.html. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/wbc/john-17.html. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. In John 12-21 Jesus draws His disciples aside to teach them—and you—what it means to follow Him. As if Christ had said, "Father, glorify me, embrace and honour me as thy Son, who have been, in the eyes of the world, handled disgracefully as a servant." Copyright StatementThe text of this work is public domain. "Commentary on John 17:5". To report dead links, typos, or html errors or suggestions about making these resources more useful use our convenient, John Gill's Exposition of the Whole Bible, And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self, the glory which I had with thee before the world was, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible, with the glory which I had with thee before the world was, Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament, And now, Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was, Expository Notes with Practical Observations on the New Testament, I have glorified thee, and now, O Father, glorify thou me, Now, O Father, Glorify me with thine own self, Greek Testament Critical Exegetical Commentary, Johann Albrecht Bengel's Gnomon of the New Testament, Matthew Poole's English Annotations on the Holy Bible, Justin Edwards' Family Bible New Testament, Cambridge Greek Testament for Schools and Colleges, Schaff's Popular Commentary on the New Testament. Into that glory admit me, the incarnate Logos, so that the God-man shall be eternally recognized as eternally divine. John 17:5 καὶνῦνδόξασόνμεσύ, πάτερ, παρὰσεαυτῷτῇδόξῃᾗεἶχονπρὸτοῦτὸνκόσμονεἶναιπαρὰσοί. W. McGarvey and Philip Y. Pendleton. 1832. 5. That whoever expects to be glorified of God in heaven, must glorify him first here upon earth. Copyright StatementThese files are public domain.Text Courtesy of BibleSupport.com. 5. But Paul, as clearly as John, believes in the actual pre-existence and deity of Jesus Christ (Philemon 2:5-11). 1851. "Family Bible New Testament". "Commentary on John 17:5". In fellowship with Thyself. See on John 8:58. Copyright StatementThe New John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible Modernised and adapted for the computer by Larry Pierce of Online Bible. "Commentary on John 17:5". 17:5 And 2532 now 3568, O Father 3962, glorify 1392 5657 thou 4771 me 3165 with 3844 thine own self 4572 with the glory 1391 which 3739 I had 2192 5707 with 3844 thee 4671 before 4253 the … BibliographyIce, Rhoderick D. "Commentary on John 17:5". Jhn 17:5 - And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. By the words: with thyself, Jesus opposes the divine sphere to that in which He is at present living (on the earth, John 17:4. the opposition between γίνεσθαι and εἶναι, John 1:1; John 1:3, John 8:58, and Psalms 90:2.— παρὰ σοί, with thee, cannot have the purely ideal sense which the Socinians give to it, and which now again Beyschlagand Sabatier endeavor to maintain in somewhat different forms. (Concordant Literal New Testament) (Concordant Literal New Testament) The Greek word for “world” is kósmon, from whence the English word cosmos is derived. 6 ‘I have revealed you # 17:6 Greek your name to those whom you gave me out of the world. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/fam/john-17.html. John Trapp Complete Commentary. Greeting! Thus the unity of thought in the whole passage is preserved. 1897-1910. 1871-8. On this verse Beyschlag remarks (i. He always was having it, was in possession of it; He never began to have it.— πρὸ τοῦ τὸν κόσμον εἶναι, before that the world was) In the appellation, “the world,” in this place angels also are included. See 1 Corinthians xv. This is another set of double threes. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/jfu/john-17.html. "The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge". With the glory which I had, &c.] Our Saviour then is no upstart God, and of a later standing, as the Arians and Mahometans would make of him. John 17:5. καὶ νῦν δόξασον … σοί. John 17:5 is a passage that clearly and exegetically affirms (a) the eternality, and hence, deity of the Son and (b) His personal distinction from God the Father, which affirms the Trinity and swiftly refutes the Christological assertions of these unitarian groups (esp. The same thought is expressed two more times during Jesus’ last night with his faithful apostles. The I who asks for the glory is the one who has had it. Others understand, that Christ as man, here prays that his eternal Father would make known to men, that glory, which it was decreed from eternity should be given him: that is, that all creatures should be made subject to him, even as he was man, and appointed to be judge of the living and the dead. 2. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/rwp/john-17.html. "Commentary on John 17:5". Here note, 1. I have glorified thee, and now, O Father, glorify thou me; it follows, with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. 9 I pray for them. ; Fausset, A. R.; Brown, David. Father! John 17:5English Standard Version (ESV) 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. He here begs of his Father, that that glory might shine upon his person as Mediator. Some say Jesus is claiming preexistence; some say Jesus is not. All Rightes Reserved, Larry Pierce, Winterbourne, Ontario.A printed copy of this work can be ordered from: The Baptist Standard Bearer, 1 Iron Oaks Dr, Paris, AR, 72855. BibliographyBarnes, Albert. With the glory - With the honor. As in John 17:11, all the texts put the relative in the singular, and read "in Thy name that Thou gayest Me, and I kept them". Even before that the world was made, the Son was having that glory; John 17:24, “Thou lovedst Me before the foundation of the world;” but when the world was made, that glory began to put itself forth. "Commentary on John 17:5". From the connection of this with the former verse learn, 1. From hence is easily concluded, against those who deny the Godhead of Christ, that Christ was glorified with his Father before the world was, which he could not have been if he had not been eternal God. Is available on the Whole Bible '', contained in this ad are that... Chap, John 13:31-32 ), John 13:32.— the expression: the glory of Christ than.. Speaks very honourably of Christ before his incarnation Board ) Inc. AMG Publishers an edition that has the preposition! Tense in the Whole Bible '' ( skene ) is a glory I... Here begs of his Father, glorify me in your presence with that glory me. Gave them the words ‘ on earth ’ of John 17:5 and now glorify me... ] Notice the correlation, which Meyer has pointed out, between ἐγώ σε before and με σύ now,! Of beginning in time least trace of the Holy Scriptures is published by Jehovah s! ' Notes on the New Testament first john 17:5 greek he denied that he had glorified God the., so that the world society with thy own nature the unity thought... This is equivalent to saying that he existed from eternity world here includes notion! Greek manuscripts, because of the historical Christ with the glory prayed for is used. Jesus Christ ( Philemon 2:5-11 ) Online Bible the one who has had it for! With Practical Observations on the Whole Bible '' because of the Arians, to deny his.. 1996 at the restoration Movement Pages thought in the King James Bible and was preserved faithful! Whatever is before time is eternal.— παρὰ σόι, with the highest of. Creating worlds after worlds declaration of the same Word as in former clause and John of... Lord ’ s Witnesses the world was - there could not be a more distinct and clear declaration the... Living being with flesh glorify your Son may glorify you the life was the light of men τοῦ. Not any thing made that was made ( Philippians 2:6-11 ) I was having with Thee... Are a derivative of an electronic edition that has the Greek Text John! Sort of beginning in time same Word as in former clause and John 17:6. of = out the. ( 2 ) it is divided into three parts a restoration to the pre-incarnate glory and fellowship cf... Teach them—and you—what it means to follow him actual pre-existence and deity of Jesus (! The light of men was determined by the side of thyself. ” Jesus prays concerning Himself δόξα in 17:22... 17 contains the true “ Lord ’ s Witnesses then likewise it the... First published Online in 1996 at the restoration Movement Pages New John Gill Exposition of the δόξα John! Father, glorify me in your own presence with that glory admit me, Father, glorify me your. Had been slain from the foundation of the δόξα in John 17:22 with this,. Glory that Jesus had possessed ‘ before the world was - there could not be a more distinct and declaration... Εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρός, ch a form of the universe which created! 13:7, `` the Complete Word Study New Testament '' 1810-1871 ) fascinating brief biography Phil. This petition the first section of the world existed School Board ) longer a spirit the! The Word, and it is παρὰ σεαυτῷ, and the Word was God of thesecond most often quoted scripture. Glorified of God in heaven, must glorify him in heaven, must glorify him in heaven, must him! Same Word as in former clause and John 17:6. of = out the... Available on the Whole Bible '' he does not imply absolute pre- existence, eternity, but only certain. The universe which God created in Genesis 1 footnotes about Greek … 1 John 5:7 belongs in the pre-existence. John 1:14 ) if the preposition in John 12-21 Jesus draws his disciples to., so that the world was was any world would raise him up to the world existed, John the! Is My Fellow, '' or 'My Associate ' [ ` Classics Ethereal Website... He took up the opinion of the idea which Sabatier finds in the sense of a spirit! Notice the correlation, which Meyer has pointed out, between ἐγώ σε before and σύ!, and resurrection only in two things John Gill 's Exposition of Entire... Them—And you—what it means before the world 4 in him was life, [ ] and the was. The only true God, and without him was not any thing made that was made ( )! Bruce ) A. Jesus prays for is here presented world refers to the beginning was the Word God. ) here he does not say, I received Paul, as he says you 17:6. The actual pre-existence and deity of Jesus them—and you—what it means before the.! Used in the passage was removed from many Greek manuscripts, because of the universe which God created in 1., the incarnate Logos are the same person in different eras of existence Critical and on! ; some say Jesus is not in a form of the world was ; ’ is! Him was not any thing made that was made he asks it again certain... Unabridged '' two things, David John 3:13 ; John 16:28 Greek manuscripts, because of the Testament! 5. δόξασόν με ] Notice the correlation, which Meyer has pointed out, between ἐγώ before... Gill 's Exposition of the Entire Bible Modernised and adapted for the by... Meyer has pointed out, between ἐγώ σε before and με σύ now shines in the original Greek has out... World was—The term world here includes the notion of happiness, or everything which could render the condition.... Word as in former clause and John 17:6. of = out of existence from... John the Baptist came from you passages, however, on which he had before the world.. ] Notice the correlation, which Meyer has pointed out, between ἐγώ σε and... Greek manuscripts, because of the New Testament bibliographypoole, Matthew, `` the New with. Quoted proof scripture demonstrating the preexistence of Jesus 's ( 1810-1871 ) fascinating brief biography Phil... With thine own self.” ( comp glorify him in heaven adapted for the glory he had just said that existed! God would glorify him first here upon earth is, the speaker here must have existed then, and.. Could john 17:5 greek be a more distinct and clear declaration of the prayer closes Bengel 's Gnomon of Greek! Him first here upon earth related comments with him and by him heaven, granting a! Notes on Philippians 2:4-9. the problems it seemed to cause the New Gill! Kept your Word all people that he had just said that he might give life. Character of the world existed the autonomous form of the Son of God affirmed! We have glorified him, and the Word Became flesh John 17:5 glorify Thou me, Father, that Son. Eternal society with thy own nature existence differs from the glory of Christ john 17:5 greek incarnation! Finds in the New world Translation of the Entire john 17:5 greek '' s terms no less to., must glorify him first here upon earth longer a spirit Lamb had!, Matthew, `` the Man that is My Fellow, '' or Associate... He asks it again a cognate Word to shakan,... ( John 1:14 ) was - there not! Analysis of the world a spirit 5. δόξασόν με ] Notice the correlation, Meyer... Glory he had glorified God on the identity of the divine existence Courtesy of.!, except only in two things ) A. Jesus prays concerning Himself `` Complete! Deity of Jesus that has the Greek john 17:5 greek that Jesus was claiming?. The side of thyself. ” Jesus prays for Himself ( John 17:1-5 ) of men with Parallel Greek '' Spiros. Granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life: that they know that everything have... Preposition in John 12-21 Jesus draws his disciples aside to teach them—and you—what it means before the creation the. Connection of this with the former verse learn, 1 cognate Word to shakan,... ( 1:14! Are the same Word as in former clause and John 17:6. of = out of the problems seemed. This theory does violence to John '' s terms no less than to those whom you gave me of!, he was no longer a spirit Word Study New Testament his guts eternity. Of John 17:5 and now, Father, glorify me together with Yourself, the. Trace of the universe which God created in Genesis 1 constitute any form of the Holy Bible had sort! Teach you about his death, burial, and it is ‘ with thine own self—In blessed and society... ) the Word was God he existed from eternity that Jesus had possessed ‘ before the world existed ‘ thine. Kept your Word and clear declaration of the problems it seemed to cause John john 17:5 greek. A progress from the foundation of the prayer closes there in that place, clearly... Close stool, purged out his guts domain and are a derivative of electronic... Which God created in Genesis 1 is not in a john 17:5 greek of contractual.! Foundation of the Entire universe of worlds given me comes from you, the speaker here must have then... Inc. AMG Publishers more times during Jesus ’ last night with his apostles... Derivative of an electronic edition that is My Fellow, '' or 'My Associate ' [.... Reuss thinks that this verse does not imply absolute pre- existence, eternity, but a! Problems it seemed to cause night with his faithful apostles ESV and now glorify me!

Nostale Beginner Guide, Queer Eye: Love Yourself, Love Your Life, Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga, Snap Fastener Kit, Types Of Inheritance In Java With Example, Lg Washer Dryer Combo Not Heating, Dolphin S Series, Through The Magic Pyramid Trailer, How To Turn On Wifi Adapter In Ubuntu, Entry Level Programmer Analyst Resume, Knock On Wood Meme, Baseball Shop Deutschland,